hope that helps

You are one of those who believes suicide ganking, scams and any sort of non-consensual PvP is bad for the game.

Everyone keeps acting as if noobs need protection from scamming. What part of" no one wants to scam a noob because they don't have jack ****" don' t you douche nozzles understand?

I have no clue what you said there bud, try again?

Naturally you'd be just happy if suicide ganking was suddenly made bannable, your opinion is thus irrelevant because you're another "anti-griefer" carebear.

Wrong, I beleive they are valid mechanics in the right frame IG. I do not condone the removal of them or their cessation.

PvP is good for the game. As an obvious example why would I be promoting bounty hunting?

Yes because wanting to preserve the sandbox, which applies to everyone means I want "better rights." (I think you mean favortism here but I'm not sure) Everyone should have equal scamming opportunities, happy now pubbie?

I'm pretty sure goons are one of the reasons why this game is interesting and hasn't stagnated to death yet. From starting huge 0.0 wars, pulling off amazing heists, causing huge market fluctuations, interdicting an entire market, etc. In case you all forget they we're one of the voices that saved the game when it nearly died because of too much focusing of space barbies. So maybe we should listen to them and ask CCP for some policy change or statement about this.

This is quite interesting do you have actual stats?

That has more to do with space pants and other poor decision making on CCP's part than anything we are doing. If CCP could point to an actual statistic that showed them that scamming was actually hurting the game they would change the EULA and put a stop to it. Everything else is just hot air.

I can't see the second one for some reason but the first one doesn't include post-crucible. That information is way to dated to be applied to the current situation.

E: After getting that to load it shows a slight increase which further proves that you are completely wrong.

Also the one you really want, is the number of subscribed accounts, not logins.

Tell you what, point to the part on the graph that's the people leaving the game over scamming. Don't present data then ask questions that have no relevance to the data.

I have some proof that scamming is a draw to the game, take a look at this article from the New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/15/business/15views.html

Right there word of mouth advertising for the game and a draw to it.

A good quote from that article: "But the word from Reykjavik isnGÇÖt likely to comfort EbankGÇÖs depositors. EveGÇÖs creators at CCP GÇö which employs its own economist and philosopher GÇö take a laissez-faire approach, leaving most such matters to the gameGÇÖs users to sort out."



Funny by that logic you should have to prove all of your points which you haven't and can't. I don't have access to CCP's internal server statistics or I would bother with showing you the raw data. I sure as hell am not going to use out dated or off subject data to flail around trying to prove my point while frothing at the mouth in an angry seizure.

You do realize that the forum population is not a representative sample of the actual eve population right?

Your argument is basically one big bandwagon fallacy. Everyone on the forums whines about goons scamming them therefore scams should be removed.

You aren't making a point and I'm not feeding you any BS. The only thing you've done this entire thread is link an out of date graph and link a graph that's data had nothing to do with the point you were trying to make.

So please make a point.

That is a different type of advertisement and those two are not at all alike but I can agree with not letting the channel turn into Jita local.

Since I believe CCP have made this decision in order to benefit the growth of the community and to afford the purposeful use of the recruitment channel for its intended purpose.

I hope you're aware that time progresses from right to left on those graphs.

Try hovering your mouse over one. They were kind enough to label datapoints, even if they didn't have the foresight to properly label their axes.

FTFY

Read them again.

Everyone knows Incarna bombed. Subs are climbing now.

You can't really track that sort of data without new player questionnaires over a multi-year period. If thats the point you were trying to make, linking to overall subscription graphs was honestly either very stupid or an attempt at misdirection.

I can tell you this however - Little Bees is why I came back to EVE after quitting in like 2006, and all of my RL friends ho played came back due to similar propaganda videos.

No one does propaganda like the CFC and historically, the Goons specifically.

As for "you really want to look at subscribed accounts, not logged in characters" - nope, that's what CCP wants to look at, not waht I want to look at. I care how many other characters are in EVE that I can interact with, not how much money ends up in CCP's coffers.